I'll look into this right away and post something in return.
Presto Insider: Peter Radsliff
CEO, Presto Services Inc.
Categories: Presto Service
Is it just me, or are others having this same problem? Here it is:
I manage two Presto Printing Mailboxes through my Presto.com login. Within the administration, I can manage each PPM's: settings, profiles, styles, and newstand subscriptions. BUT, for some reason, the Friends List is combined for both PPMs. That absolutely makes no sense to me. Everything else is separate, why is the Friends List combined? The two people I manage the PPMs for don't know each other, therefore don't have the same friends. So, when I add a new friend, that friend gets a "welcome e-mail message" from the person they know, PLUS a welcome message from a person they don't know. That means I have to send a follow-up e-mail message to that new friend explaining that the Presto Friends List system has a "bug in it," that I reported January 2007, that has not been fixed.
Now, back when I reported the bug, I suggested to the Presto technicians a "bandaid" solution to the problem. I suggested that I could have two Presto.com logins and just have one PPM managed per login. The problem is, the Presto system has another bug. They can't transfer an @presto.com address from one login account to another. I call that a bug, because I can see the PPM administration manager changing from time to time as different family members and friends may want to take over management.
So, while I think the Presto Printing Mailbox system is great, I do have a problem that the Presto technicians don't seem to care about fixing bugs within their system. Maybe because I am in website development, I am a bit more demanding that bugs get fixed. I can tell you, I am all over fixing bugs in websites I develop as soon as possible. For me, it is pride in my work.
I'll look into this right away and post something in return.
Presto Insider: Peter Radsliff
CEO, Presto Services Inc.
When we created the Presto Service, we spoke about this and decided to make the system simpler and with less choices (such as the ability to manage two separate friends lists). Of course, for people who are managing multiple Printing Mailboxes like yourself, having new members on a combined friends list means that notification emails are sent to everyone on the list as you mentioned, which could cause confusion. For account managers who have only one Presto, this is not an issue at all. And, for people like you that have more than one Presto, you could have chosen to sign up for two separate accounts in the beginning, deciding to keep the two Presto customers completely separated with two separate friends lists. You are correct in stating that Presto customer service people don't have the ability to transfer one @Presto.com address from one account to another. We are addressing this and it is on our list to change (I don't have an expected date yet as we are currently working on other improvements that you will really like). So, I don't have an answer for you that solves your problem, but I wanted to at least acknowledge your points and let you know where we are with these features. I will press to find an answer on the timing of addressing the above points.
Presto Insider: Peter Radsliff
CEO, Presto Services Inc.
Peter R. said: When we created the Presto Service, we spoke about this and decided to make the system simpler and with less choices (such as the ability to manage two separate friends lists). Of course, for people who are managing multiple Printing Mailboxes like yourself, having new members on a combined friends list means that notification emails are sent to everyone on the list as you mentioned, which could cause confusion. For account managers who have only one Presto, this is not an issue at all. And, for people like you that have more than one Presto, you could have chosen to sign up for two separate accounts in the beginning, deciding to keep the two Presto customers completely separated with two separate friends lists.
I don't get the logic on that decision. It was definately a bad choice if someone consciously made the decision for a shared friends list if you were going to allow one Login Account at presto.com to manage multiple mailboxes. I would get your logic if you told me each login can only manage one Presto Printing Mailbox. (That would be making the system simple.) I really think the truth is that no one considered this situation in the architecture phase of the project and beta testers didn't catch it, and the software database was designed poorly, so a quick fix of separating the friends list can not be implemented. The lack of the ability to push an e-mail address to another account proves bad database design.
Question: Since your system allows for one Login Account to manage multiple PPMs, what would have made me think to sign up for multiple login accounts, one for each PPM? The ability to manage multiple PPMs in one account is awesome, so when I saw that, of course that is the route I took. I set up the first Presto, then loaded all the friends. A few weeks later I set up the other Presto and then started loading friends. It was then that I found the bug. There was no notice within the system user interface that told me the friends list would be shared. Also, I had already secured the @presto.com e-mail address for the second PPM. I wasn't willing to give that up.
Doesn't it seem logical to you that a lot of people might buy multiple PPMs? To me it is obvious that many people would buy one for each set of grandparents. In most cases, the grandparents are not going to have the same circle of friends. See my logic? That is why I really don't believe someone consciously made the decision for a shared friends list.
This really is a problem and I am shocked Presto has not taken it seriously. I've heard your answer before, back in January when I first reported it. It is now September and no action has been taken on this.
Adding to this thread it would be really nice (as the account manager) to be able to select when notifications go out and who they go out to. This might be a bandaid solution where only those people who need to know about a new email address will be notified. This would also help with newstand changes as I can't believe how much paper is generated on the printer by changes. Grandma is going to run out of paper and ink soon and it's not even for the messages she wants to get.
Make sure to Make It Easy
Thanks for the feedback. I will ensure it gets to the right people.
Presto Insider: Peter Radsliff
CEO, Presto Services Inc.
TheFrameGuy said: This really is a problem and I am shocked Presto has not taken it seriously. I've heard your answer before, back in January when I first reported it. It is now September and no action has been taken on this.
Apparently no time will be spent on fixing existing design problems, only on new undisclosed features available at some vague time in the future.
See also
http://www.prestoplace.com/forum/thread/10837/Suggestion/
and
http://www.prestoplace.com/forum/thread/10121/View-the-Queue/
The real problem is "bad database design" from the beginning. I have managed two of these things for nearly two years and I haven't seen any system bugs fixed.
TheFrameGuy said: The real problem is "bad database design" from the beginning. I have managed two of these things for nearly two years and I haven't seen any system bugs fixed.
I am not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying it's not Presto's fault?
It did remind me of something I was wondering about though. I have only had Presto since June '08 but have never seen any Presto bugs reported as fixed. I was wondering if anyone whose had Presto longer had. It almost seems like Presto was created, the programmers sacked (left to do something else in India perhaps), and non-programmers left to take care of things with the same unchanging software (which will have new features added only in the future....).
Lots of speculation guys. Here is some real insight. First of all, all of Presto's engineers are located in Mountain View, California as they have been since we were founded. There have been many improvements to the Presto service since launch, we just don't announce the ones that you don't see. But the system is extremely reliable and stable through these improvements. We have even improved the software that runs on the Printing Mailbox twice and silently upgraded all machines. And, don't forget you have features like PDF support and Presto Mail Preview now. As for the features requested above, there will be a major system upgrade with many new features in about three weeks. Look for a blog post from me in about two weeks announcing to the community first. Suffice it to say you will have all you are asking for and much more.
Presto Insider: Peter Radsliff
CEO, Presto Services Inc.
Just a followup to this thread. The new features talked about above have are now "live" for all Presto Account Managers. Here is a description of them: http://www.prestoplace.com/blog/entry/11006/NEWSFLASH-Announcing-the-PrestoCo...
Presto Insider: Peter Radsliff
CEO, Presto Services Inc.
Does Presto still not have separate friends lists? It has been nearly 2 years since I reported the bug. I manage two Prestos and the two people don't know each other, hence have separate friends. It is VERY confusing for "new" friends to receive a message that they have been approved to mail to a Presto Printing Mailbox owner that they don't know.
Two years ago the obvious answer was for me to have two separate administration accounts. I am fine with that, but two years ago the Presto system was unable to port e-mail addresses from one account to another. Has that problem at least been fixed?
GoodIdeaBut said:TheFrameGuy said: The real problem is "bad database design" from the beginning. I have managed two of these things for nearly two years and I haven't seen any system bugs fixed.I am not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying it's not Presto's fault?
It is Presto's fault that their original database design was flawd. It has been nearly two years and I would have thought that they would have come up with a solution by now.
We have not spent effort on this as of yet. We have a very low incidence of people who have multiple Presto users like you, so this has not risen to a high priority. It remains on our list of items to address.
As you mention, the easiest way to address this today is just to have multiple accounts, one for each user.
Presto Insider: Peter Radsliff
CEO, Presto Services Inc.
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